How about REALLY silent updates?

NewRaven · December 19, 2012, 05:43:37 PM

I use PL a long time now, but, since it happened a few minutes ago, this is the first time I don't forgot to post this long overdue feature request.

I want... no, actually I NEED PL to update itself silent or at least without stealing the focus on other fullscreen applications. Honestly, its a real pain when an update gets installed, every program (includes fullscreen applications, games, even video players) lose focus because your more or less useful update-window... especially on some games (Oblivion, Skyrim) its not only annoying, its terrible because these apps tend to crash on task switches. Not to mention some online games some people might play...

So I hope I get some solution for this without disabling the automatic update completely. Thanks

BenYeeHua · December 19, 2012, 05:50:33 PM

About that, it has ~~missing in the memories.~~
http://bitsum.com/forum/index.php/topic,1827.0.html
Ok, it is back.

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 06:12:55 PM

I actually was thinking about this the other night.. why have it show a message box at all since it is automated with no user input? So, I am working on it! I just have to be careful, because a screw up would be a massive one, so it must be tested well.

So you mind the balloon popup letting you know an update happened?

NewRaven · December 19, 2012, 06:19:16 PM

A balloon message in systray is fine (as long as you don't find a way to to even let that one steal the focus

), a non-active background-window would do it for me also. I try hard to even understand, why the current window has to be an active, foreground window at all in the first place... besides that focus stuff

So any change, whatever you decide, would be very appreciated

And no need to hurry, its bugging us a long time now, we can wait another few weeks

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 06:25:49 PM

I can do NOW.. how about that? I mean, what's the difference between showing dialogs that self-close, or hiding them? Nothing

. Sooner I do it, sooner I get to testing...

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 06:31:35 PM

I have put it in the beta I am building now ... then I'll be testing it, and have a final tomorrow (hopefully with new translation updates).

BenYeeHua · December 19, 2012, 06:38:59 PM

1.Manual update, just like now, but the update window is not foreground(not on top always)
2.Automatic check for update, but balloon popup to let user wanna update now, or later, after clicking the balloon, popup new balloon saying updating
3.Automatic update without asking(Automatically keep PL up to date), but popup balloon saying updating
After update, balloon popup for change log just like now

NewRaven · December 19, 2012, 06:43:29 PM

NOW sounds even better, thank you.

But shouldn't WE ask YOU what's the difference between showing dialogs with no user interaction that self-close or hiding them? You probably must have seen a sense there some time ago

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 07:12:47 PM

It was added incrementally. So, the most optimal decisions were not made for the whole based on time constraints and pragmatism.

The technical difference between showing the windows that just fly by and hiding them is just that. That are hundreds or thousands of windows on your Windows PC that are hidden from user view (intentionally). They are a means for Windows applications to communicate with themselves and each other.

BenYeeHua · December 19, 2012, 07:21:38 PM

Ya, some software that using the task to update is stole the focus with hidden windows.

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 09:12:31 PM

Needs some adjustments still, but we're almost there. Will be by next final, then upgrades after that are totally silent except balloon tooltip. May even default to this, or make option more prominent.

BenYeeHua · December 19, 2012, 09:26:12 PM

Ya, maybe you can give a choose to completely silent updates, without a balloon tooltip.

But I think it might less people hiding it, as they like to know what their software is "doing"

Jeremy Collake · December 19, 2012, 09:29:59 PM

I could simply add more balloon tips, mimicking what Microsoft does - including its options.

BenYeeHua · December 19, 2012, 10:03:54 PM

Don't mimicking too over.

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They also using the "action center" too.

NewRaven · December 20, 2012, 04:45:54 PM

Okay, the update rolled in here....so, I guess with the next update I will see your changes... this time, the update windowed appeared as it always did

Jeremy Collake · December 20, 2012, 04:48:05 PM

Correction: ONE of the TWO update windows displayed ;p. The first one skips by pretty fast, so maybe you didn't notice it before. Yes, I'm still working on it

. So much to do ... Had to move forward on this build, other considerations. Don't worry, it won't be long for fully silent update.

Jeremy Collake · December 22, 2012, 02:24:11 PM

.30 was just a 'clean up the language mess' release because I had too many people using a/b/c of .28. I have a lot more done already - bigger things like making sure these totally silent updates work (it is coded, just needs a balloon while downloading so that people know what it is doing before I hide that window).

Will reveal in a beta ASAP ...