Windows 8 Screenshots

[Jeremy Collake]

Screenshots from Wndows 8 that speak for themselves.

[BenYeeHua]

The user mostly hate one is they are missing the Start button and Start menu.
Some people is hating clicking "more" in windows 8
Less people is hating windows 8 is missing function that used by some "advanced" user
For example.
http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-windows-8-copy-file-conflict-dialog.html
It is useful when having more conflict file, so you only tick the file that you wanna to put on that folder. 
But why they not giving a single click like in windows 7 when having 1 conflict file?
So you just click 1 times to replace, rename, skip(with showing the difference of the file.) 
Maybe this is changed in windows 8 RTM???
I have not testing windows 8 yet, so I will not saying that it is bad/good, how can you judge it if you don't know more about it?
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And this bar make me recall this.
https://wrightdev.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/wpf-ratebar/
So you can using the ratebar in software. 
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And I saw you are copying the wedding video 

[Jeremy Collake]

There are definitely more clicks to do many things in Windows 8. It did improve some in the RTM, it is very usable as a desktop OS. Some of the traditional UI cosmetic improvements and enhancements such as those screenshots (and others) backported to Windows 7 would likely be the ultimate desktop OS. I likely didn't respond to everything, may respond more shortly (after I get to the last one, lol).

[BenYeeHua]

Yup, it have many improvements and enhancements, just user are lazy for clicking/moving more times 

[hanemach_gt]

Yup, it have many improvements and enhancements, just user are lazy for clicking/moving more times 

It's a matter of them noticing the change, and that's the factor of irritation I think. I irritate myself by same fact I have to change my habit because of the change of the routine.

[BenYeeHua]

It's a matter of them noticing the change, and that's the factor of irritation I think. I irritate myself by same fact I have to change my habit because of the change of the routine.

Or install a software to replace/getting back some function? 

[Jeremy Collake]

I am with hanemach_gt, the missing Start Menu button in the lower left (yes, I can get to it by going to the upper or lower right edge of any screen) is something I just miss because of habit. I haven't went through the Start Menu itself in a long time, but just got used to it being there, and having things pinned to the Start Menu. I figure in a week I'll be over it though.

My impressions Windows 8 RTM on a physical machine (both a laptop and a desktop now) have been great. I was not impressed with the RP in a virtual machine, but once put on a physical machine, it is much easier used than I thought. They may have done a few little tweaks before the RTM too, to make it easier for traditional desktop use.

[BenYeeHua]

I am with hanemach_gt too 
Because most of the time, I just click start button, type the software name, click enter.
Or double-click the icon at desktop, open the folder that having the software shortcut inside, double-click it.
And the software that I wanna to use is running now 
I only use the menu when I only remember the first letter/logo or the software.

Remove/changing some function that less used is nothing wrong as you can reduce the ram/storage media usage and using it for software etc.

If I were right, when they changing from dos to windows, they must also say that, why I must move the mouse and clicking on it to running it while I can running it by just a keyboard.
Just like why I need the Aero effect when it cost performance 

They doing like this must be a reason, right?

Edit:Some software cannot running on it is another reason for them to not using windows 8 

[Jeremy Collake]

I think we all see the picture clearly and are saying the same thing.

Here is the big lesson to learn: All the journalists, all the skeptics (including me), all the bloggers ... forget what they say about any upcoming software release, and wait to try it for yourself .

[BenYeeHua]

forget what they say about any upcoming software release, and wait to try it for yourself .

Yup, just like someone saying that you should doing like that, and most of time I will not doing like that 
A good example
From:http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/05/so-you-want-to-be-a-programmer.html

    My mom once told me that the only reason she dated my father is because her mother told her to stay away from that boy, he's a bad influence.

    If she had, I would not exist.

And if you're reading this and thinking, "screw this Jeff Atwood guy, who is he to tell me whether I should learn to code or not", all I can say is: good! That's the spirit!

Why they can telling that Windows 8 is bad for me when they don't know everything about me?

[Jeremy Collake]

Windows 8 native ISO mounting ...

[BenYeeHua]

Yes, reducing the space/function that we rarely use and adding some function that we use >1 times per week.(depend on the person)
When we lost something old, we get something new back.

[Jeremy Collake]

For a long time this was something Windows could easily do, but they didn't expose the capability. Glad they did. No more having to install Daemon Tools or your other favorite ISO mounting utility. Very handy.

What I like best are the file operation dialogs, showing real-time performance in a dynamic and changing graph.

[BenYeeHua]

No more having to install Daemon Tools or your other favorite ISO mounting utility. Very handy.

Except some person that need the advanced functions of Daemon Tools etc.

What I like best are the file operation dialogs, showing real-time performance in a dynamic and changing graph.

Ya, and you can pause it.
The function that it lost is the buffer of FastCopy(useful for copying/moving file with the same HDD), and the speed control.

One question, did the file operation is with a lower i/o priority or?
If it is, we can copying/moving file without affect the responsiveness of the software/system. 

[Jeremy Collake]

I have not checked the default I/O priority for file operations induced by the user and operated by explorer, but will do so ...

[BenYeeHua]

Thank, but why Microsoft not try to start using the I/O priority?

[Jeremy Collake]

They do for background I/O such as the Indexing Service. I just haven't checked where else they may use it, yet. Again, they leave it up to us to figure out where and when they make use of it, not documenting such. In fact, in NT 6.0 there was only two effective I/O priorities that a thread could use, Background and Normal. Critical is reserved for system paging operations. The others were there, but not implemented. Later, in NT 6.1, they seem to be used and implemented, and perhaps further used in 6.2. More to investigate.

[BenYeeHua]

I only found some software start using it, just like some defrag software.
The problem is Microsoft is hiding this function to developer, and they are not using it too much.
It just like you building it, but you not using it much, and not letting other people knowing more about how to use it.

[Jeremy Collake]

Screencast of a Windows 8 file copy operation, to get the full effect ... a little zoomed, but I'm not gonna spend all day on it ;p.

http://bitsum.com/video/windows8-file-copy.avi

[BenYeeHua]

lol
Who will copying/moving the file all the days.
Except the SSD is not big enough to put the most used software/data on it 
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But I think it has a little change on it's behave, because it need more time to doing it than windows 7.

[Jeremy Collake]

Except the SSD is not big enough to put the most used software/data on it 

Enter JunctionMaster . Also, the Libraries support of Windows lets you set multiple back-end storage paths.

[BenYeeHua]

That making easy.
Why you need to writing the "bat" code to doing it, when you can use the free software to doing that for you

[BenYeeHua]

Ya, data is priceless 
If the software only make your system broken, just format and reinstall it.
But if the software is delete/destroy your important data...
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That is why they like to use some paid software as they are very scared of data will be steal/destroy by the free software. 

[niobehorton]

thanks for the screenshots.appreciate it.

[Jeremy Collake]

Here are a few more ...

[BenYeeHua]

It need the AA for the Mobility Center-Volume

[edkiefer]

I still cringe at that app's window , why oh why couldn't they add menus, folder so it's not so spread out and cluttered .

I know, i know its for mobile /laptop small screens but still should of made a desktop version .

Other than that it has what seems like some nice improvements under the hood .

[Jeremy Collake]

You mean changes like they promoted the older engineers (or retired them) and had some young guns come in and said: "make this cool". However, some Metro changes are annoying on a desktop - particularly the right-click of a shortcut, which now has the context menu shown at the bottom. I believe I posted one of that. If not, I will. So, to 'launch as admin', you have to right click a shortcut you found in Metro, then choose from several options shown at the bottom. Of course, made for touch input, obviously.

The Surface will be interesting.

[edkiefer]

didn't know about that, so I assume no kind of pop up or folders can be enabled in that metro desktop .

[Jeremy Collake]

Yep. No pop up context menus of any kind in Metro. Only bottom row 'superscript' selections (if you will, I made that up for right-click selections).

The Surface RT looks awesome but WTF with waiting 90 more days for the Surface Pro. There is no way I can afford both, but I must get one. So, I guess I'll be salivating for 90 days. It better be worth it! I wouldn't get it if I weren't a developer though and didn't need it for that, as cool as it is. As a consumer, I have to be real cheap, so would wait for gen2.

[Jeremy Collake]

Windows 8 context menu. It is currently right-clicked, which persists, of course, for you to go choose the option you want - unless you uncheck it with another right-click.

[BenYeeHua]

Maybe right-click by using two finger for touch screen?
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Yup, and maybe the heat problem also for Surface Pro?
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OK, so we can pin it, but what is the meaning of open new windows for Metro.
Maybe it means open new windows for desktop apps

[Jeremy Collake]

That is a standard shortcut, not a file. Thus to open a new window is to launch it, just like in Windows 7. A traditional desktop window in this case.

A file based context menu has other options. They are all the same options as Windows 7, just differently presented, e.g. 'Run as administrator'.

[nikkil]

I think this tweak is great but this is not really a huge feature tho. I mean only the presentation is modified here. I still run all programs to "Run as admin" for convenience.

[hunypowell]

wow, windows 8 is amazing.

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[Jeremy Collake]

I just noticed, by accident, that in addition to being able to mount ISOs, Windows 8 also provides the ability to open them as a folder in Explorer - similar to the way it handles ZIP archives.

In addendum, Windows 8 has proven a good bit faster at boot, sleep/hibernate/resume, and general operation than even Windows 7.

[BenYeeHua]

I am not touching the ISO for 1 year because of sharing Internet with other download person that using p2p, so I can't download ISO as I like

But after using Windows 8 for almost 1 month, I learn some shortcut key like Ctrl+Shift+Enter to run the software with admin.
And nothing big difference except it can last longer than windows 7, as the core-parking park the whole core.

[Jeremy Collake]

That is a shame not to be able to download ISOs. Microsoft distributes ISOs to developers, which is what I primarily use ISOs for.

Ctrl+Shift+Enter I actually hadn't heard of until now, nice tip

[BenYeeHua]

Ya, and the UAC in Windows 8 is doing good jobs, they are using it on metro app, so after disable UAC the metro app can't be run.
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And ya, the ISP is propaganda their fiber services(watch the ads everyday), but the problem is they are not provide the service at here.
Why not use the ads fee to build the services
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The start metro style is useful for user that having less software install, and who like to pin to start instead of pin to taskbar.
And show all app can show all start menu shortcut, in whole screen.
The useful shortcut is showing by clicking winkey + x, and screen shot with winkey + print screen etc

Just some change like hiding the Non-Plug and Play Device Driver affect sometimes, like some software has install some driver in there, and having some problem, but it can be using "sc" on the cmd to operate also.

[Jeremy Collake]

SmartScreen filter intercepting an unsigned application. When clicking 'More info' you are allowed the option of executing the program anyway.

[BenYeeHua]

And it can be change at the left of the "Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Action Center"

[Jeremy Collake]

You know, other than having to constantly bypass Metro (which I *never* use), overall Windows 8 is a nice OS. Let's just hope Microsoft doesn't take any more action to kill off the traditional shell moving forward. If they do that, .. well, surely they won't!

[BenYeeHua]

If they do that, what happen?
Maybe more than half of the devs/user will not support that os.
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Nice, but still not good.
They still has the bug for the installing apps that adding themselves into the Firewall.
https://xnagamedeveloper.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/windows-8-and-error-code-0x80073d0a/
The solution is enable the Firewall service, not enable Firewall.
And this
http://andydavies.me/blog/2011/11/21/increasing-the-tcp-initial-congestion-window-on-windows-2008-server-r2/
The netsh interface tcp show supplemental is completely dead, just type it and it only show

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The TCP global default template is internet
Not

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The TCP global default template is internet

TCP Supplemental Parameters
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Minimum RTO (msec)                  : 300
Initial Congestion Window (MSS)     : 2
Delayed Ack Timeout (msec)          : 200
So I can't change the "custom" template setting to icw=10, and reduce the load time for browsing Internet.
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And the support of the drivers(maybe the BIOS problem).
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-hardware/driver-power-state-failure/e0759732-2436-4c78-9439-e51a05ec85ee
I has the same laptop like this guy, and has the same BSOD of that guy, but it only BSOD sometimes after the "fastboot" function of windows 8.
This is what I get from my 8 minidump, and 1 minidump of that guy.(only 1 from me and her/him is just saying one of the PCI device is causing this)

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0: kd> !irp fffffa800a908b30
Irp is active with 4 stacks 2 is current (= 0xfffffa800a908c48)
No Mdl: No System Buffer: Thread 00000000:  Irp stack trace. 
     cmd  flg cl Device   File     Completion-Context
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-00000000   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
>[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa80081bdc50 00000000 fffff88004b381d0-fffffa800c1ef010 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\ACPI nvlddmkm
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa800a4a9290 00000000 fffff801b9f87310-fffffa800b18c3a0 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\nvlddmkm nt!PopRequestCompletion
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-fffffa800b18c3a0   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

So for who has the dual graphic card for their laptop, it is better that buy one SSD and disable the "Fastboot" for windows 8.(or waiting for new fixed BIOS/driver)
And you will still getting the faster boot time, faster respond time, without this BSOD.
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Second time I see him(by using !poaction to find out, badly that I only keep the minidump, not memory.dmp), and almost every times I know it will BSOD by plug in my mouse(and mouse no working).

>[ 16, 0]   0  1 fffffa800a444060 00000000 00000000-00000000    pending
          \Driver\usbhub
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for AiCharger.sys
[ 16, 0]   0 e0 fffffa800a46b100 00000000 fffff88005ba4880-fffffa800a43bcf0 Success Error Cancel
          \Driver\ACPI   AiCharger
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
[ 16, 0]   0 e0 fffffa800a43bba0 00000000 00000000-00000000   
          \Driver\AiCharger
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
[ 16, 0]   0 e1 fffffa8006a60050 00000000 fffff801b9f87310-fffffa800b02c5b0 Success Error Cancel pending
          \Driver\usbhub   nt!PopRequestCompletion

Maybe the AICharger(Charger plus) of the Asus is the problem, I will try disable it and see what happen.

[edkiefer]

are you using latest version of there utilities , came out 11/2/12  , for Aicharger its version 2.0

[Jeremy Collake]

ASUS motherboard utilities are awful, in my opinion. I've identified more than one serious memory leak, and had them malfunction on several occasions. In general, you are better off without them. Some of them intentionally run the system out of specs. That is good for benchmarking tests with ASUS motherboards, but not so good for practical use.

[edkiefer]

Yes, I don't use any of them, anything to do with MB I do it in bios , might not be as easy to adjust but its done on hardware level , not software, where you need to load profiles and rely on software loading .

[Jeremy Collake]

Too bad I can't convince ASUS to include Process Lasso with their motherboards . That's long been a pipe dream.

[edkiefer]

Too bad I can't convince ASUS to include Process Lasso with their motherboards . That's long been a pipe dream.

Yes, that be tough one IMO, mainly because PL is more linked to OS than MB .

That said what might work is if you could get PL to be promoted by famous gamer, maybe they include it with there republic of gamers line .
It would be more of a marketing push than anything, but most of the software is anyway .

[Jeremy Collake]

Yea, I don't hold out much hope for it

Well, back to work - I'm almost done with basic memory priority support.

[BenYeeHua]

are you using latest version of there utilities , came out 11/2/12  , for Aicharger its version 2.0

Yup, download from the Asus support-Apps for Win 8-Asus USB Charger
It is Version V2.1.5, 2012.12.04.
I will uninstall it for a week, if there are more BSOD with the qiuckstart of win 8, it is the problem of Nvidia, and I can report to Nvidia.
If not.... I don't know how the Asus support for the software.

As I think it is the Aicharger problem, is because the BSOD is depend on the longest not responding one(if I were right), and normally the secondly graphic card in the laptop is idle.
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And ya, I has download many of Touchpad software, to find the better one.
If I download the newest one, it will cause the ATK(laptop FN key, the oldest driver(2009) in this computer ) loss function to disable Touchpad, and I need the newest function, disable the Touchpad when typing.
And how they can write the Power4Gear code into the Asus Touchpad...(it changing the minimum processor state to 100%, and reverse the battery/AC setting...)
Lucky I open the Event Viewer, and it is telling me which software is changing it.
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Just wanna ask, did enable the Ai charger in battery mode, will cause the bios not shutdown completely to detect and charge the USB, and reduce the battery power?
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And ya, marketing is important .