Started by desiree101, February 10, 2016, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: desiree101 on February 10, 2016, 04:16:47 PM@ edkiefer, hi Well, if MSE is running its not in the system tray, I like to see the icon and its not there.Edit: since checking Task Manager, I can see its not running at all. I checked msconfig, my startups are not listed.Nope, I didn't touch anything to do with 'termination always' - all this happened as soon as I installed, before I even changed anything from default. @ jeremy, hello Yes, I do use a startup software actually (avir Pro), useful for when I install programs or use Windows Updates sometimes other things are added to startup or my homepage gets changed etc, things that I don't want. I think yes, there could be some conflict because as soon as I uninstalled PL, all my startup programs that stopped with PL, were listed in the popup box from avir saying '8 new programs have been added at startup' - all the programs I allowed to start in the first place! lol Yes I used Task Manager.My OS is Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, Service Pack 1.
Quote from: desiree101 on February 10, 2016, 05:35:59 PMOkay, I tried it. Just as I thought, it didn't work. As soon as I installed PL, a pop-up box from avir says 'Nvidia CP will no longer start at startup'. This happens 9 more times with different programs. I start PL to exclude avir from ProBalance. I restart Windows and there are no startup programs, including avir itself, my antivirus, my antispyware etc, just like before. The only program that starts up is Process Lasso! lol.As long as PL is installed, even if its not running, my startup programs don't run unless I manually start them. So, as Jeremy said, something from PL is blocking avir, therefore, all my startups won't start.
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on February 10, 2016, 06:33:13 PMPlease allow some time for us to test with avir TM and see if we can reproduce the issue. I suspect it (avir TM) is what is actually to blame, as it is managing the startup applications, but something Process Lasso is doing is causing it to malfunction (an interoperability issue). Maybe any application that adds itself to the Task Scheduler causes some bug in avir to manifest.
Quotea pop-up box from avir says 'Nvidia CP will no longer start at startup'
Quote from: edkiefer on February 15, 2016, 04:44:14 PMWell, I tried to reproduce it in VM, installed avir TM , then installed PL .When you have avir installed, every process that runs you get a pop up (do you want it to run) . This is little overboard IMO but I do get it on a security point of view.Anyway, I didn't have any conflict with both installed, I added one drive to a delayed start as VM was clean win10 , but both worked together .
Quote from: desiree101 on February 16, 2016, 04:49:45 AMlol, yes the pops up only happens at first install and when installing new programs that would start at login, but I really ike that feature Hm, I'm not sure what you mean about 'adding a drive to delayed start' - It's for programs. I use it to add programs to it - say, 5 mins after logging in my clipboard manager would start. Some programs use a lot of CPU power at startup so I add them to Delayed Start for a quicker start up. I don't know if a Virtual Machine makes any difference to it, I've never used/installed it.Thanks for testing it, though
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 07:02:47 AMWhat I meant was I added MS OneDrive to delayed startup option , its a cloud based app like Google drive (gave it 1min delay).Everything worked ok.
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AMOnly way to be sure would be run something like autoruns , se how the process starts and then note if its gone or just not working (still listed properly but not running) .
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AMYou originally said avir TM didn't run right with PL .As far as MSE, in Win10 that is called defender ,its installed by default .
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AMOk, can you tell me do you set a lot of startup to delay for some reason ?
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AMI am afraid we will never get to reproduce this cause there is just to many variables .
Quote from: edkiefer on February 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AMEdit: I'll try Superantispyware and see what happens. If you have a set delay for super antispyware, tell me.Edit2:Ok, got all three app installed , I even uninstalled PL first before Superantispyware and then reinstalled PL.No issues here, all are running and starting fine .
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on February 17, 2016, 12:59:53 PMThis topic was moved to the 'Bugs' sub-board BTW...The more we've tested and went through the logic, the more certain it seems, despite the report that avir TM removal had no effect, that avir, or some other software, is the actual culprit. Since the problem is such that startup programs are suddenly missing, then somehow return after uninstalling Lasso, it *must* be something managing the startup applications because that is way beyond anything Lasso touches. Lasso couldn't, for instance, restore those programs -- or delete them to start with.Lasso doesn't touch the startup settings of other applications. It doesn't delete any registry values or task scheduler entries. And it really can't do this accidentally.FWIW, you also have an unnecessarily complex system setup, for instance using both MSE and Malwarebytes. Long ago, Malware detection was merged into security software, so you really need to pick one and go with it, else you'll suffer performance problems. It's never the case that you get 'double the protection', but you definitely get double the false positives and double the complications and performance degradation. You may also (I don't know, talking more to general users now) have too many optimization products installed, probably to the detriment of total performance.
Quote from: DeadHead on February 17, 2016, 05:47:32 PMI've read about AND experienced first hand similar issues with avir in the past, not in any way related to PL but with other software. From my pov, I would call this one out on on avir itself to 95% certainty (the other 5% would be some other installed 'tweak'-program).Each to their own, but I won't touch it ever again, that's for sure.
QuoteMSE (aka Windows Defender) is less limited than it might appear. As a free, now built-in, component of Windows, it just has less incentive to be fancy, pop up in your face, and give false positives. It has one of the lowest false positive rates out there, if not the lowest.
QuoteI did a big cleanup, uninstalled some unused programs (not avir, I'll never get rid of it! lol) scanned system files and checked my disks. I completely uninstalled PL and cleaned out the registry leftovers, then reinstalled it (64bit).
QuoteI don't know how often you reinstall Windows, but I recommend doing it bi-yearly for active PCs. It can really clean up a lot of mysterious problems. There is way too much crapware in the software ecosystem, and trying a few applications can literally do permanent damage to your OS installation that may not become apparent for weeks or months after use of the crapware.