Version 8 Beta Progress (v7.9 beta)

[edkiefer]

can't help with pop-up (what app is that, AV ? )

With smarttrim enabled you should see log entries even if no trim is taken .

[chris635]

can't help with pop-up (what app is that, AV ? )

With smarttrim enabled you should see log entries even if no trim is taken .

Yes....this above.

[Tarnak]

can't help with pop-up (what app is that, AV ? )

With smarttrim enabled you should see log entries even if no trim is taken .

That is SSM [System Safety Monitor] not longer developed, but was for XP...It tells me of changes that occur on my computer. Very useful, for me.

[Jeremy Collake]

OK...I have [just] enabled SmartTrim in my XP system...However, I don't know ift is doing anything, since I see no observable difference, enabled or disabled.

Check the Lasso log to see what it did (or didn't) do. You can use the edit box above as a filter, e.g. 'SmartTrim'.

Probably no perceivable difference on your system, or many systems. SmartTrim is only expected to ever illicit negligible positive future effects on performance (except in the edge cases when they aren't ;p). We've written about the RAM Optimization Myth here. However, users wanted control over how their RAM is utilized, and so if they are going to do 'trims', at least do it in a halfway intelligent fashion.

[chris635]

OK...I have [just] enabled SmartTrim in my XP system...However, I don't know if it is doing anything, since I see no observable difference, enabled or disabled.

You should see something like this in the log.

[Tarnak]

OK...This is what happened from the logs...

[Jeremy Collake]

Looks right to me. In most cases, no RAM should be 'trimmed', thus it took no action - as opposed to taking action just to do something.

[chris635]

OK...This is what happened from the logs...

So far smart trim doesn't need to trim based off settings. Try changing Minimum Process working set to something like 50 mb in the advance configuration and see if it trims any process's over that threshold.

[Tarnak]

 Since, I am just an ordinary user, and I think I am "halfway intelligent" ;...perhaps I need a 'SmartTrim for Dummies', type scenario. 

[chris635]

Looks right to me. In most cases, no RAM should be 'trimmed', thus it took no action - as opposed to taking action just to do something.

And as Jeremy said above.

[Tarnak]

So far smart trim doesn't need to trim based off settings. Try changing Minimum Process working set to something like 50 mb in the advance configuration and see if it trims any process's over that threshold.

LOL... Are trying to confuse me?   It is all gobbledygook, to me.

[chris635]

LOL... Are trying to confuse me?   It is all gobbledygook, to me.

Hope I don't confuse you. Look at these. Mine is set to 100 mb, but you can set it to whatever you like.

[Tarnak]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the info...I will have to look more into it, since I am not a tinkerer. When, I go into the options of PL...and see the choices, I am a little overwhelmed, so I just prefer to let PL do it's thing in default mode. 

[chris635]

Nothing wrong in letting Process Lasso work on default mode....it does it's job well that way too! 

[Tarnak]

I just noticed that PL is no longer showing in my systray...

But, I get this from checking with Process Explorer....

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Process Explorer Warning
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No visible windows found for this process
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OK   
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[Jeremy Collake]

Are you using BitDefender, by chance?

[Tarnak]

No, but I am running  Emsisoft software, and I think they have a connection to Bitfender, recently...see Emsisoft Anti-Malware 9 released! - http://blog.emsisoft.com/2014/06/18/emsisoft-anti-malware-9-released/  Bitdefender is mentioned in that blog post.

P.S.  I am running PL, in four different snapshots, and some have EAM and/ or EIS.  So, PL is running under different environments, and results of PL may vary.

[Jeremy Collake]

Ok, thanks. Let's keep an eye on it for now. The final may recover better than the beta, or this may be a persistent problem. We'll find out through observation.

[Jeremy Collake]

.. and we're about to be at 7.9.9.73 beta as I try to go RC. Almost there, odds and ends. Going to take care of as many as I can, figure it's worth a few hours. When I get close to collapse, the build goes out.

[chris635]

.. and we're about to be at 7.9.9.73 beta as I try to go RC. Almost there, odds and ends. Going to take care of as many as I can, figure it's worth a few hours. When I get close to collapse, the build goes out.

I'm here waiting. Is there anything you would like for to check with 7.9.9.73?

[Jeremy Collake]

Nothing much. Just if you see anything broken, let me know. I still have a few odds and ends on my list, and I've added a couple strings for the translators at the last minute (may add a few more ).

But I would pull the trigger now if I had to, it's a fine build.

[Tarnak]

Updated,  a few minutes ago...to 7.9.9.73 beta...No problem this time...I decided to shutdown the real-time shield in WSA, this time around.

[Tarnak]

 Latest details from log for SmartTrim...

[chris635]

Nothing much. Just if you see anything broken, let me know. I still have a few odds and ends on my list, and I've added a couple strings for the translators at the last minute (may add a few more ).

But I would pull the trigger now if I had to, it's a fine build.

Does smart trim not show in the logs anymore even though there is nothing to trim? I have it set for 15 minutes and since 11:42pm when latest beta was installed, I don't see any smart trim activity in the log.

[Jeremy Collake]

If Gaming Mode is engaged, then it isn't acting. That is likely the change you are seeing?

This is the newly adapted checkbox related to SmartTrim and Gaming Mode. By default, it's OFF.

[chris635]

ini file has the correct settings.

[chris635]

Gaming mode is not engaged.

[Jeremy Collake]

Maybe some issue, I'll check it out, there's some new logic there I need to tweak a bit anyway.

I'd say we're about 10 hours from release.

[chris635]

We'll I'm good for about an hour or so....

[chris635]

It will trim manually.

[Jeremy Collake]

Logic inversion on that setting is what you were seeing. I'll have it fixed up in the next build, which is building now.

[chris635]

Roger That!

[chris635]

There it is.... .....It's working again!

[Jeremy Collake]

There it is.... .....It's working again!

Good to hear . Thanks!

Just added one of two licensing related dialogs. One more, then more code review and testing... then I press the button.

Knock on wood no problems I have to resolve.

[BenYeeHua]

Remember, don't push that button.
Then that person will do it.

[edkiefer]

running 7.9.9.77 beta and not getting any smarttrim even with both sliders down real low , way below running ram load and per-process .
"feels" like you got the add function working between slider but some issue with ram load% (but that is just a guess ).

We still got plenty numbers left 7.9.9.xx 

[chris635]

running 7.9.9.77 beta and not getting any smarttrim even with both sliders down real low , way below running ram load and per-process .
"feels" like you got the add function working between slider but some issue with ram load% (but that is just a guess ).

We still got plenty numbers left 7.9.9.xx 

Mine is working based off of process working set at 100mb. I just doubled checked. I'll load up ram a little more to check again while keeping ram load below 25% (I have this set not to trim until 25%).

[edkiefer]

Odd , I have ram load min to 15% with perprocess amount to 86mb .

Game mode off .
Edit: even enabled "alow trim during game mode" and ini looks good with values .

[chris635]

Odd , I have ram load min to 15% with perprocess amount to 86mb .

Game mode off .
Edit: even enabled "alow trim during game mode" and ini looks good with values .

I just checked it again.

[edkiefer]

ok, well since your seems to be working .
raise your top ram min load slider to say 50% , leave perprocess real low on second slider and see what happens (shouldn't get a trim) .
going to reboot PL to see if that changes anything , your running same version 7.9.9.77 beta , right ?

[chris635]

Alrighty then.

[chris635]

I do have 16gb in this thing. I don't really hit 25% unless heavy firefox tabbing or gaming.

[chris635]

Yes I'm on the latest beta.

[chris635]

Okay it just trimmed. I'll try the other way with the sliders now.

[edkiefer]

Ah, yes, I should of looked at your pic better .
That not right then IMO .

See what Jeremy says, he might want to fix that part after ver8.0 release .
not sure whats going on on my end, was trimming with last older  versions .

[chris635]

Trim triggered but did not trim, as you can see in the pic. I believe this is by design based of parameters Jeremy set it with. Even though you set ram load to a low percentage, smart trim will still not trim (although triggered) until certain criteria are meet. Adjusting the process working set to something of your liking, you essentially take some of the control away from smart trim, therefore trimming individual process's instead everything else. This is what it looks like to me. I could be wrong. Only Jeremy could clarify at this point as he has changed the logic around for full blown release of version 8.

[edkiefer]

Yes, well lets see when he gets back on that .

I tried enable "alow trim when game mode is engaged " but no trim events showed up in log , not even 0 trimmed .
I never tested this option before .

[chris635]

Yes, well lets see when he gets back on that .

I tried enable "alow trim when game mode is engaged " but no trim events showed up in log , not even 0 trimmed .
I never tested this option before .

I'm sure how it is supposed to work. I noticed last night after some gaming, smart trim was trimming other process's, just not the game. I think if that option is selected, trim will not even get triggered.

[edkiefer]

I'm sure how it is supposed to work. I noticed last night after some gaming, smart trim was trimming other process's, just not the game. I think if that option is selected, trim will not even get triggered.

Yeh, I just unchecked it with game mode on and its does do a smarttrim but still getting 0 processes trimmed only , can't figure whats wrong here .

[chris635]

Yeh, I just unchecked it with game mode on and its does do a smarttrim but still getting 0 processes trimmed only , can't figure whats wrong here .

Look at the working set for your process's, are any over 196mb (are any over 50mb)? Jeremy set that as default last night.